Thursday, April 30, 2009

I don't think that word (web) means what you think it means

I recently watched a Q and A session with Tim Bray on the future of the web from QCon San Francisco 2008. I enjoyed the talk, if you have not seen it already it is well worth a view. One of the responses to the talk by a flex architect and consultant Yakov Fain raised some interest points that I would like to discuss.

"you can create RIA that support Back button - just decide what application view (no page) to show when the user hits the Back button."

A disadvantage of RIA's (Rich Internet Applications) is their inter operation with the web (lack there of), you lose a lot of the shared semantic meaning of the web in RIA's. The site Mr. Fain gave actually provides a excellent example of this weakness. You achieve back button functionality by leveraging url fragment identifiers, however in doing so you are hijacking the agreed semantic meaning of fragment identifiers. "For HTML, the fragment ID is an SGML ID of an element within the HTML object." Fragment identifiers are meant to identify elements within a document and not separate documents which is what uses them for.

A direct result of abandoning this agreed semantic meaning is that the content on those "views" will not be indexed by search engines like Google. You can demonstrate this to yourself very easily, lets take: the mercedes couple cl550 as an example.

A search on google for "mercedes CL550 2009 coupe" does not return a single result to your RIA or even a Mercedes site in the first 5 pages (I didn't bother checking results after the 5th page).

Now compare that to a search for "honda civic 2009 coupe" the first result is Honda's civic coupe page.

The RIA approach of utilizing fragment identifiers is inherently limited and this becomes obvious when contrasted to a more RESTful approach that doesn't hijack the agreed semantics of urls.

Mr Fain goes on to say:

"There’s a bunch of interdependent rules for each car model that should enable/disable UI controls depending on the user’s selection. For example, if you ordered white leather interior, you can’t have yellow exterior. We’ve implemented the entire rule engine on the client, which makes the entire system a lot more responsive."

Many other e-commerce and product sites have similar rules around products, however they do not give up being indexed by a search engine for responsiveness. For me as a online consumer, responsiveness has not been a pain point or something I long for when using sites like newegg, amazon, or apple. However if their content was no longer indexable by google I would feel that pain and would be less likely to purchase from them. It seems like a pretty shitty trade off doesn't it?

Mr. Fain goes on to attack PHP and Rails via the twitter straw man:
"Mr. Bray believes that the direction of Web applications is moving form J2EE to PHP and Rails. He didn’t make it clear for what kind of applications though. Is he talking about applications like Twitter that can go down several times a day and people will keep using it because they don’t have any better choice? ... But if you take any application that handles your money (Banking, eCommerce, auctions) I’d rather stick to tried and true J2EE on the server"

I think one should be careful in stereotyping a language/platform by the performance problems of one application, you may find yourself mistaken more often then not. is a great example of a Rails e-commerce. Mr Fain seems to forget that one of the big advantages of the web is that I can use whatever I want on my server and my clients don't care.

"I believe that Web moves to a VM-based stateful clients with fast communication lines between the client and the server moving tons of strongly-typed data back and forth."

I disagree with this statement and here's why: as my very knowledgeable colleague Jim Webber put it: the web built on three principles that conventional thinking teaches are bad, it is dynamic/late bound, text based, and is built on polling. These are not weakness of the web rather they are its strengths. You should bear in mind the web is not some system that we were just handed and have to live with, rather the web is what resulted from a form of technological natural selection; it obliterated other more statically typed protocols like DCOM, CORBA and Gopher, not vice versa.


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